So...a comment that I posted was deleted and suppose to be posted, but drama ensued....it doesn't really fit in with the crap that I ramble on about here, but ZAG posted for me, so I'm gunna put some of what I wrote here for her since she didn't get the chance to see what I wrote....and even I don't have a copy (hate rewrites, they're never as clever as the original), I did sent what's below via e-mail after my original comment was deleted "to post", since I had to edit so much out of it to get it to fit as a comment:
"We've all heard the reference to Marilyn Monroe being a size 14...in the 60's she was the bomb. I wish I lived in the 60's, I'd be the bomb! But I'd also probably be an uneducated nitwit who's only goal in life was pleasing my husband with my meatloaf drenched in butter while raising our chances of dying
from clogged arteries, and beating my kids until they learned not to speak their mind. Point being, nothing is ever idealic. Back then, women had healthier and more attainable standards for how they looked, but were not appreciated for their minds, or encouraged to develop them. Boy, did men did have it good back then! Lol. Size 14 was the ideal then; sloppy, hairy, braless, and unclean was the theme of the 70s; 8-10 was good for the 80's; somewhere through the 90s and 2000's 0 and 00 became the ideal size, if the trend were to continue, we'd have to start using negative measurements, size 14 would be considered morbidly obese...not just "plus" as it is now.
from clogged arteries, and beating my kids until they learned not to speak their mind. Point being, nothing is ever idealic. Back then, women had healthier and more attainable standards for how they looked, but were not appreciated for their minds, or encouraged to develop them. Boy, did men did have it good back then! Lol. Size 14 was the ideal then; sloppy, hairy, braless, and unclean was the theme of the 70s; 8-10 was good for the 80's; somewhere through the 90s and 2000's 0 and 00 became the ideal size, if the trend were to continue, we'd have to start using negative measurements, size 14 would be considered morbidly obese...not just "plus" as it is now.
Furthermore, women can also get enjoyment out of men liking their curves, their ass, their boobs, their whatever...every woman likes to be told she's
beautiful....to have a man look in your face and say how beautiful you are? That could seal the deal for some! To each their own, and while some women may enjoy facials (or say they do to fulfill your porno fantasies), it's never going to provide a mutual appreciation/enjoyment situation that the others will. Its demeaning in its core, and masochistic at its heart. Like a dog pissing on a tree to mark his territory. "in your face!" "saving face" "losing face" where do all of those sayings get their meaning from? Without going totally sappy here, the face/eyes/and their ability to express feeling
are the window to your soul, and it would represent a new level of objectification, in my book, if that were to become the norm. I could be with you if you had said some of the other ways of appreciating a pretty face: kissing? Watching a pretty face please you? Concentrating on it to avoid looking at the rest of her body? I don't think it will replace ass for minority men, boobs for white men, or both for Show (oh and C4, less vocal, but equally appreciative of both, albeit in smaller packaging). A pretty face will never go out of style, because she can have that with T&A, without T&A, or with too much T&A. Therefore it will never replace T or A."
beautiful....to have a man look in your face and say how beautiful you are? That could seal the deal for some! To each their own, and while some women may enjoy facials (or say they do to fulfill your porno fantasies), it's never going to provide a mutual appreciation/enjoyment situation that the others will. Its demeaning in its core, and masochistic at its heart. Like a dog pissing on a tree to mark his territory. "in your face!" "saving face" "losing face" where do all of those sayings get their meaning from? Without going totally sappy here, the face/eyes/and their ability to express feeling
are the window to your soul, and it would represent a new level of objectification, in my book, if that were to become the norm. I could be with you if you had said some of the other ways of appreciating a pretty face: kissing? Watching a pretty face please you? Concentrating on it to avoid looking at the rest of her body? I don't think it will replace ass for minority men, boobs for white men, or both for Show (oh and C4, less vocal, but equally appreciative of both, albeit in smaller packaging). A pretty face will never go out of style, because she can have that with T&A, without T&A, or with too much T&A. Therefore it will never replace T or A."
So, to end my thoughts about all that is written I'll just say this: Men and women both objectify each other....if you boil initial
attraction down to it's raw form, it's objectification. When you first see someone, you see a set of desirable or undesireable physical attributes (objects): hair, face, shoulders (I love broad shoulders!), chest/boobs, abs/gut, ass, legs, HANDS (love big hands!). All of those tell us whether or not we want to move forward and investigate the mind to see if it will sustain us. The dangerous objectification comes when we don't get beyond that, when we see the mind, and dismiss it, and continue to focus on those attributes. If you're with a girl who can only stimulate you sexually and cannot sustain a conversation, then well, it's the same thing as a girl who loves a guys' Barry White voice even though she can't understand a damn thing he saying with it. LOL. It's all objectification, I guess I'm just saying it's a shame if you can't evolve beyond that.....and a greater shame if we play into it knowing there's no respect there. ZAG is right, what really matters is what's inside his/her head and heart, and the connection between two people.
attraction down to it's raw form, it's objectification. When you first see someone, you see a set of desirable or undesireable physical attributes (objects): hair, face, shoulders (I love broad shoulders!), chest/boobs, abs/gut, ass, legs, HANDS (love big hands!). All of those tell us whether or not we want to move forward and investigate the mind to see if it will sustain us. The dangerous objectification comes when we don't get beyond that, when we see the mind, and dismiss it, and continue to focus on those attributes. If you're with a girl who can only stimulate you sexually and cannot sustain a conversation, then well, it's the same thing as a girl who loves a guys' Barry White voice even though she can't understand a damn thing he saying with it. LOL. It's all objectification, I guess I'm just saying it's a shame if you can't evolve beyond that.....and a greater shame if we play into it knowing there's no respect there. ZAG is right, what really matters is what's inside his/her head and heart, and the connection between two people.
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